Mr. Burns, J'Accuse! (One of my favorite moments in gaming, in a terrible, terrible game.)

You're right, we're not getting anywhere, and also right that we don't, as far as I can tell, disagree about anything factual. So, yeah, let's let it be. You say half full, I say FULL TO OVERFLOWING WITH THE BLOOD OF THE PROLETARIAT. We're both right. I am going to make a point of checking out the writers and sites you recommended up the thread. Because I really do want to read intelligent writing about games.

Sorry I was a dick about Apple. I've never had an experience with an employer where anyone in management wasn't completely cynical, but I will acknowledge it might be possible. (I don't think we will agree about Apple or your hypothetical employer being that company, but there might be one out there, like the Higgs Boson.)

There is one last point I'd like to make, which is that Apple, like Nike, the Gap, HP, Wal-Mart, and every other company that outsourced in-house manufacturing to third-world third-parties, has always understood that they could shield themselves from some culpability for human rights abuses by saying, "We don't manage these companies! We just audit them!" That liability shield is baked into the deal and part of the reason people structure their manufacturing that way instead of running their own third world factories. A lesson Foxconn has also learned. So, no, I don't think they should get off the hook in the slightest for only auditing their suppliers. (And the scope of the problems is ongoing.)

So I guess I'm still being a dick about Apple. (Says the man who bought a new MacBook Air, so yeah, there's blood on my hands. But I would have paid twice as much to have it built by someone who had decent working conditions. And I would surely pay 20 cents more for a shitty Papa Johns pizza if the guy who delivered it had health care.)

So let's end on something we can agree on: could Mitt Romney be any more of a train wreck? No, he could not.